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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Really what are people going to be tracking about me, that I like Christmas because I’ve got an advent calendar and a Christmas tree on my profile???&quot;

It is often the most innocuous data that certain agencies find the most useful. For example, links between &#039;known associates&#039;. Try googling the story of Maher Arar, who was illegally deported, imprisoned and tortured - all for once having casually met (through a friend) a person who had come to the attention of the authorities. These days, people publish and helpfully tag their encounters on Facebook, MySpace, Flickr et al.

It is not in the imagination of a few paranoids that the authorities find these sites useful. Both Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics have stated that they are working on systems - being used for homeland defence, border control and anti-terrorism - which scour publicly accessible information on blogs, social networking sites, forums and other internet-based resources. They do this to build profiles and establish links between people, and this info is being used to target people for surveillance and investigation, to add them to no-fly lists and more.

Of course, there will always be people who are happy to be sheep....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Really what are people going to be tracking about me, that I like Christmas because I’ve got an advent calendar and a Christmas tree on my profile???&#8221;</p>
<p>It is often the most innocuous data that certain agencies find the most useful. For example, links between &#8216;known associates&#8217;. Try googling the story of Maher Arar, who was illegally deported, imprisoned and tortured &#8211; all for once having casually met (through a friend) a person who had come to the attention of the authorities. These days, people publish and helpfully tag their encounters on Facebook, MySpace, Flickr et al.</p>
<p>It is not in the imagination of a few paranoids that the authorities find these sites useful. Both Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics have stated that they are working on systems &#8211; being used for homeland defence, border control and anti-terrorism &#8211; which scour publicly accessible information on blogs, social networking sites, forums and other internet-based resources. They do this to build profiles and establish links between people, and this info is being used to target people for surveillance and investigation, to add them to no-fly lists and more.</p>
<p>Of course, there will always be people who are happy to be sheep&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with fernando and L.E.Roy! Really what are people going to be tracking about me, that I like Christmas because I&#039;ve got an advent calendar and a Christmas tree on my profile??? That I&#039;m good at Scrabble and I like puzzles??? Well good luck with that, is all I can say to the Government Agencies spying on my obviously important profile!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with fernando and L.E.Roy! Really what are people going to be tracking about me, that I like Christmas because I&#8217;ve got an advent calendar and a Christmas tree on my profile??? That I&#8217;m good at Scrabble and I like puzzles??? Well good luck with that, is all I can say to the Government Agencies spying on my obviously important profile!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;shouldn’t you also be tainting your Yahoo, Myspace, Orkut, Flickr, Twitter, Pownce, Jaiku, Upcoming, Dopplr, Blogger, etc etc accounts as well?&quot;

I probably would if I had any such accounts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;shouldn’t you also be tainting your Yahoo, Myspace, Orkut, Flickr, Twitter, Pownce, Jaiku, Upcoming, Dopplr, Blogger, etc etc accounts as well?&#8221;</p>
<p>I probably would if I had any such accounts!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Bond</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You touched on a deeper problem here, but I think you missed it. Why stop at just Facebook? Because if you don&#039;t like what FB might do with the data or how you might be perceived due to your FB profile, shouldn&#039;t you also be tainting your Yahoo, Myspace, Orkut, Flickr, Twitter, Pownce, Jaiku, Upcoming, Dopplr, Blogger, etc etc accounts as well?

Jack(21), I find a perverse humour in a government mining Facebook data. So  does the CIA have &quot;Are you a vampire&quot; on their fake profile page? Maybe this calls for a &quot;Spot the Fed&quot; application in the style of the old DefCon T-Shirts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touched on a deeper problem here, but I think you missed it. Why stop at just Facebook? Because if you don&#8217;t like what FB might do with the data or how you might be perceived due to your FB profile, shouldn&#8217;t you also be tainting your Yahoo, Myspace, Orkut, Flickr, Twitter, Pownce, Jaiku, Upcoming, Dopplr, Blogger, etc etc accounts as well?</p>
<p>Jack(21), I find a perverse humour in a government mining Facebook data. So  does the CIA have &#8220;Are you a vampire&#8221; on their fake profile page? Maybe this calls for a &#8220;Spot the Fed&#8221; application in the style of the old DefCon T-Shirts.</p>
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		<title>By: luke</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-NEVER- give personal information on the internet [unless it is absolutely vital for legitimate transactions (with entities the real existence is verified and trusted)].
-ALWAYS- keep in mind that everything you put out on the internet is stored in huge data vaults and can be retrieved at will. Even if you forgot about it, 25 years later it will magically reappear to bite you in the ass.
-ALWAYS- maintain plausible deniability. If it&#039;s good enough for the CIA, it&#039;s good enough for you.
-NEVER EVER- admit to anything to anyone for any reason. You weren&#039;t there, you didn&#039;t see it, hear it, smell it, touched it, said it, or thought it.

Only the paranoid will survive [corollary: it&#039;s not because you&#039;re not paranoid that they&#039;re not watching you (FaceBook and other data trawling is a case in point)].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-NEVER- give personal information on the internet [unless it is absolutely vital for legitimate transactions (with entities the real existence is verified and trusted)].<br />
-ALWAYS- keep in mind that everything you put out on the internet is stored in huge data vaults and can be retrieved at will. Even if you forgot about it, 25 years later it will magically reappear to bite you in the ass.<br />
-ALWAYS- maintain plausible deniability. If it&#8217;s good enough for the CIA, it&#8217;s good enough for you.<br />
-NEVER EVER- admit to anything to anyone for any reason. You weren&#8217;t there, you didn&#8217;t see it, hear it, smell it, touched it, said it, or thought it.</p>
<p>Only the paranoid will survive [corollary: it's not because you're not paranoid that they're not watching you (FaceBook and other data trawling is a case in point)].</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-12-09 &#171; Romulo Lopez Cordero</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-12-09 &#171; Romulo Lopez Cordero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fernando</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont really know much about this kind of thing but whats the worst that could happen with the data they might have? would they just use it to send you some junk mail in the post or something? and 1010011010 and 29A may not the number of the devil anymore. it could possibly be 616!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont really know much about this kind of thing but whats the worst that could happen with the data they might have? would they just use it to send you some junk mail in the post or something? and 1010011010 and 29A may not the number of the devil anymore. it could possibly be 616!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post!

I did exactly what you suggested here in September. I tried filling my Facebook account with meaningless and false data, because I knew there was no way to delete the account.

Sadly (and evil) here is what Facebook did. They &quot;deactivated&quot; my account, because they said that I added people who I did not really know.

I wrote to them to ask them to please reactivate the account, but they said no. My reply after that never got another response from them.

The problem is that I started adding &quot;fake&quot; friends before I changed my personal data. So, I think I did the steps in the wrong order. :(

Long story short... all my personal real data is still in Facebook... and they refuse to erase or delete it.

It is well known now in in-the-know circles that Facebook is tracking people for various governmental organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post!</p>
<p>I did exactly what you suggested here in September. I tried filling my Facebook account with meaningless and false data, because I knew there was no way to delete the account.</p>
<p>Sadly (and evil) here is what Facebook did. They &#8220;deactivated&#8221; my account, because they said that I added people who I did not really know.</p>
<p>I wrote to them to ask them to please reactivate the account, but they said no. My reply after that never got another response from them.</p>
<p>The problem is that I started adding &#8220;fake&#8221; friends before I changed my personal data. So, I think I did the steps in the wrong order. <img src='http://www.freeinfidel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Long story short&#8230; all my personal real data is still in Facebook&#8230; and they refuse to erase or delete it.</p>
<p>It is well known now in in-the-know circles that Facebook is tracking people for various governmental organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plan B: Violate the TOS. Post pornographic material. Link to spyware and virii. Depending on jurisdiction, illegally post copyrighted/proprietary material. 

Submit a complaint to abuse. Your account ought to be deleted better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plan B: Violate the TOS. Post pornographic material. Link to spyware and virii. Depending on jurisdiction, illegally post copyrighted/proprietary material. </p>
<p>Submit a complaint to abuse. Your account ought to be deleted better.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-12-09 at The New Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-12-09 at The New Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Classification Techniques</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Classification Techniques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck with allll that.

Let&#039;s assume you want to spend all that time and effort, do you really think that a pattern of starting to add random websites/friends/apps/you-name-it here and there wouldn&#039;t be easy to filter out?  There are a myriad machine-learning and classification techniques (SVM&#039;s etc) that are good enough to be able to filter chaff user activites from real ones given a decent training set (and boy is the &quot;real&quot; training set large).

In fact, if any of you out there in the information extration field read this, perhaps propose a solution, it&#039;s actually an interesting but not intractable problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with allll that.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume you want to spend all that time and effort, do you really think that a pattern of starting to add random websites/friends/apps/you-name-it here and there wouldn&#8217;t be easy to filter out?  There are a myriad machine-learning and classification techniques (SVM&#8217;s etc) that are good enough to be able to filter chaff user activites from real ones given a decent training set (and boy is the &#8220;real&#8221; training set large).</p>
<p>In fact, if any of you out there in the information extration field read this, perhaps propose a solution, it&#8217;s actually an interesting but not intractable problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Penguin Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penguin Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, bother. The day Facebook went open to anybody, I created an account with bogus random information using a Guerilla-Mail type address, just to test it. Got right in, looked around, said, &quot;Facebook is another Yahoo.&quot; and haven&#039;t been back.

Nice post, though. It&#039;s good to point out to the public that they do not have to give their data away to everybody who sticks out a hand for it. If more people followed that advice, there wouldn&#039;t be so much identity theft in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, bother. The day Facebook went open to anybody, I created an account with bogus random information using a Guerilla-Mail type address, just to test it. Got right in, looked around, said, &#8220;Facebook is another Yahoo.&#8221; and haven&#8217;t been back.</p>
<p>Nice post, though. It&#8217;s good to point out to the public that they do not have to give their data away to everybody who sticks out a hand for it. If more people followed that advice, there wouldn&#8217;t be so much identity theft in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Dole</title>
		<link>http://www.freeinfidel.com/2007/12/08/taint-the-data-how-to-quit-facebook-the-evil-way/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, award yourself -800 points for being insane enough to give away ANY personal data to this shit-hole of a company in the first place.

You are all insane if you even used your real name. I already have 2 utterly bogus accounts, and they were both just used for testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, award yourself -800 points for being insane enough to give away ANY personal data to this shit-hole of a company in the first place.</p>
<p>You are all insane if you even used your real name. I already have 2 utterly bogus accounts, and they were both just used for testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kosmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re saying I should spend 12 months to delete my facebook account? Seems like you&#039;re only playing their game to me. Hmm, waste of time- no thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re saying I should spend 12 months to delete my facebook account? Seems like you&#8217;re only playing their game to me. Hmm, waste of time- no thank you.</p>
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